Why not order in and keep your kids comfortable and others safe from their illnesses? And if he needed a break, why not have a staffer watch them for an hour? This is straight up selfish. I am being judgemental. What an awful thing to do. Bad, bad call. I just heard an infectious disease Dr on NPR over the weekend talking about this and keeping kids home from school and otherwise sequestered the whole time they are sick. There is nothing to be gained from keeping kids home and he said basically if your kid has enough energy to attend school, they should go, period.
This goes for older kids too with colds etc because they too easily fall behind at school. Crucially, there has never been one study that shows keeping kids home reduces rates of transmission. Around the start of school years to midway though after spring vacations is when H,F,M is at its worst. You simply do not bring them out in public in a diaper or around others. I adore Pink. Hart always seems like an idiot. Sorry, bros.
I guess everyone here knows more about communicable diseases than the NPR doc… ::shrugs Check out the CDC guidelines. They are not salaried employees who have sick days. They are low-wage hourly and tipped workers. Missing work means missing income. HFM is excruciating for adults. The argument of standing around contagious people every day to bring your child with hfm to a restaurant is absurd.
You can catch both, but 1 is more contagious than the other and much more severe in symptoms. So, of course theres a reduced chance. BUT no vaccination or immunity for HFMD and if a pregnant woman gets it, it may cause stillborn, birth defects or miscarriage.
SO if nothing else keeps you or your sick kids at home, think of the pregnant women and her babies. Poor kid, that looks awful! My toddler had a very mild case of HFMD last week. We unknowingly went to a play date with a bunch of other kids last Monday morning, got home and saw blisters on his feet and diaper area. I immediately contacted all the other parents after getting off the video appointment with the dr so they could make sure to disinfect toys and wash hands.
I canceled everything we had last week and just stayed home. Sometimes parents do have to take sick kids out in public because they have no choice. Eating at a restaurant with a visibly ill and contagious child is not one of those times. You are willingly exposing other people. Thank you Lightpurple. Not at all the same thing but I was a well-paid consultant a few years back while my husband was at home with the kids.
I was very conscious that getting sick meant cutting down on the family income. I was travelling a far amount and it bummed me out when the person in the restaurant seat or plane seat next to me was sick… particularly on the plane as you are much more likely to catch whatever they had in that setting.
And they should have consulted a doctor about when it was safe to take him out without risk of infecting others. There are diseases — though not HFM — where once the rash comes, the infectious stage is actually over. I have zero problems with the diaper though. America puzzles me about this. Having kids is a choice, yes, but these kids are hopefully the ones who will pay for our healthcare, our retirement benefits, figure out cures for our diseases as we age, and hopefully find a way for the planet to continue.
Get w other parent friends who can give thoughtful feedback. People who love us but have more experience are better teachers than the hateful antisocial media.
Yup, if a child is ill, leave them at home, they will be more comfortable and not spread illness. A lot of common sense responses on this site. Instead of shading the person that made the comment…is it too much to ask of the parent s to use common sense? Obviously if you are a celebrity in these days it might be difficult. Nicole Some celebrities just hate being questioned about anything. You can see how childish they are by how they react to criticism.
Armie Hammer comes to mind. Why even respond to the comments? Of course there will be some who criticize you. In this case it was warranted, often times it is not. For real. I absolutely judge. That kid should be at home. It is disgusting for other patrons and completely ufair to that poor, sick baby. This SO much. Absolutely inappropriate, judging him so hard. This is disgusting. If your kid has something highly communicable, you keep them home.
He acts like people should be totally cool around his sick kid. Also, is it normal for a family to be so damn sick all the time? What is up with the immune systems in that house? Now I am being a judgmental bitch, I know. My answer to Carey Hart: Dude, not everyone has the super-duper immune system of your precious child. Yeah, this seems boneheaded. This is an all around no. I am not the one to be judging every little thing a parent does.
I agree with you while-heartedly. To not give a darn if you make other people sick. Somebody else may end up missing work and losing pay because of his selfishness. And the best way to handle illness is rest, good care at home, and NOT spreading it around.
It was a heartache. It was hard to even get his parents on the phone to come get him. Within a week four other children got the illness, two ended up in the hospital and I also got it and ended up three nights in the hospital, it was a horrible intestinal illness. Call Mr. Delivery next time. Charlie Penn: I absolutely agree that we need to change the culture about taking sick days for either yourself or to take care of a child.
Companies need to realize that letting one person stay home sick for a couple of days is going to be so much more beneficial than having them come to work, infect all their coworkers, and then decrease productivity for the entire company for weeks at a time as everyone in their company is too sick to work productively. Absolutely agree. He was rude AF. And then continued to be rude with his sarcastic a-hole response about taking the kid out to eat in his diaper.
Dude, you posted a picture of your kid, sick, in his diaper, sitting at a table, and captioned it by saying he was sick and you took him out to eat—how are we supposed to know that the photo was taken at home or not at the restaurant? This guy sounds like an enetitled, sanctimonious asshole.
The table and chair he used is infected, everything he touched is infected. Plus, that baby is going to be physically uncomfortable and probably have diarrhea, too. You want to expose a restaurant full of people to your kid having explosive diarrhea at the table? Why would you take that risk?
And did the daughter with the degree temperature go out with them? Who was watching her? What a jerk. Judging HARD. That was my first thought as well.
Even if they are currently touring, they can get room service of food delivered to them. But Carey wanted to eat out so he brought his sick kid with him. Parenting is hard. I get it. Where else would someone have had an opportunity to judge them? Alone in their room? That makes no sense. The photo is obviously not from that outing.
What the photo does in this story is show what the kid looked like on that day. Reading is fundamental. People then made the assumption it was taken while they were in the restaurant or perhaps right after.
They have a life. I agree, Rapunzel. Do children feel unwell with HFM? I stand corrected. We do call it HFM Disease. My children were miserable when they had HFM. In one case my husband and I were in Boston, and my friend took her son and my daughter to a play place type thing.
Both kids got HFM. My mom called me to tell me that my daughter had a rash and a fever and I had to call in to the pediatrician. My mom said my daughter was a bear and irritable, so we drove at night from Boston to NJ to relieve my poor mom. Hand, foot and mouth disease is a pretty harmless disease in children.
However it can be a lot worse in adults and especially anyone with immune system problems who will require treatment. In rare cases it can cause viral meningitis. Agreed, my oldest daughter has special needs and a compromised immune system. Why is it so hard to understand. Also, my twins got hit with HFM when they were about 8mo and one had it pretty mild with just a few little blisters around the mouth, wrists and feet.
The other one however had it so bad she had blisters all over her legs, back and butt and they burst open and scabbed over and she was obsolutly miserable for the first two weeks. They also got under her finger nails and some came off.
To this days, 2. So yeah it may sound harmless and it can be but it can also cause a lot of suffering. Oh and yes I got it too and the tiny blisters I had my hands and feet were so painful. I got HFM from my daughter and the pain is excruciating. People can get so judgemental when parenting is involved! People can sometimes be contagious for days or weeks after symptoms go away. Some people, especially adults, may become infected and not develop any symptoms, but they can still spread the virus to others.
Yeah but by that logic once your kid contracts HFM nobody in the household should leave the house for weeks! Damn germs! You are still actively contagious for 3 weeks after the rash is gone. So if you have the rash for this. Yes you ARE contagious. Have they not heard of room service? Parents like this are annoying.
It actually forces me to be a much more rules and routine person at work than comes naturally …. Anyway…I like Pink but I think she would expect everyone to love her kids like she does. I agree. I would have got up and walked out. You do not take a child with the highly contagious HFM disease out to a public restaurant. You just do not. In my daughters case it was about a week each time. We had a few families at day care who never followed guidelines.
It may be harmless for healthy children, but you never know who you are spreading your illness to in public, immune-compromised people, the elderly, chemo patients… Sorry, but this is gross and irresponsible. This is how my grandmother caught chickenpox in her 80s.
Agree my Father in law is enduring chemo at the moment and he has been practically sealed up at home for months now, it is just not worth the risk to his health to be exposed to anything. People are very irresponsible about this stuff.
Thank you Swack, he is a wonderful man and just gets on with things and he has never once complained or felt sorry for himself. He is a true gentleman. Sorry about your father-in-law. May he get well soon. This past flu season was really bad everywhere. You are supposed to cough and sneeze in your elbow not hands. I saw this one man blow his nose, put the dirty tissue back in his pocket and then proceed to touch all the oranges.
Damn, sanitizer is NOT expensive!!! People need to learn how easy it is to spread germs but people are too damn selfish to care.
He is always posting on social media about how this person said something to him at a petrol station, and that lady gave him a nasty look….
Dude, seriously, stop whinging and get off social media. They are probably staying in a Hotel and the breakfast was there. I doubt the kid was wearing only diapers. I want to chime in as a physician. First, the period when a kiddo is contagious with HFM is pretty much over once the kid has sores which incidentally the most miserable part of recovering from this bug. Sores usually occur a few days after a kid actually gets the bug.
Think about others. He looks terrible, but the risk of him passing something onto that rando woman or others is fairly small. You know what, Lana the doc? My father just finished radiation treatment.
You think I would want that anywhere near him? And to clarify — this is transmitted through bodily fluids. NO ONE has that right. In this case, someone else increased that risk by being selfish and showing poor judgment. Preschool teacher here…. HMF is a fact of life in preschools, not a constant but once it hits it tends to spread fast ,very contagious. Not deadly but affects every kid differently.
Either way the policy is they are kept home till they are not contagious. We send home a note ecplaining the policy along with a suggestion to avoid public places so as not to infect others. Basically a quarantine. Cary comes off as acting entitled or just uninformed though I would think any doctor would tell him the same thing. The diaper thing doesnt bother me. On the one hand, I feel for him. But, a restaurant is probably not the best idea. Most performers are adults.
Kids, especially that age, need and crave stability. Poor kid. This being said, the woman was rude. If the disease passed through saliva, a restaurant is definitely a poor choice if the kid is using its dishes, utensils and cups.
In any case, that particular baby was much more likely to have an infectious condition than a skin condition of the type you might be thinking of eczema, psoriasis etc.
Again, they can afford help. Or who or what his father touched after this kid touched his father. Lower not nonexistent, therefore you have no point. What about transplant patients, chemo patients, and immunosuppressed patients? Its selfish. Kids touch surfaces, we touch surfaces, exposing transmission from one to the other! Just last week my poor son had a major blow out while we were in the store and I was totally unprepared.
I ended up throwing his clothes in the trash and then taking clothes off the rack to dress him. I got a few judgemental stares just traveling from the restroom to the clothes section with him in a pull up. I try not to judge people when I see them with babies or littles that are missing clothes. Shit happens. I live by Disney, so I see and hear kids who are disruptive at restaurants all the time, but have learned to ignore because I know the kids are exhausted and excited, but I would probably glare at a parent like Hart, just once, not all night.
My son had HFM a few years ago and it was horrible. He has sores all over his mouth and could barely eat or drink. At one point we had to give him liquids with a syringe. He also ended up losing his finger nails from it. When my 5 month old daughter caught it, the virus attacked her bone marrow… it was so scary. There was a time when Pink had legitimately earned and totally deserved her bad ass rep. Probably about the time she got with him?
If hand, foot, and mouth disease spreads as easily as it does, the kid should be quarantined until he no longer has it. This is just as high on the list of stupid things you can do as a parent along with not getting your kid vaccinated. There are no teachers, no performances, no audiences. Instead these amateur musicians play varied pieces by Mozart, Bach, and other greats for the sheer love of it. He faithfully attends music sessions once or twice a week.
Benoliel goes to all three, depending on his schedule. Benoliel enjoys this so much that he and other enthusiasts also get together on their own in addition to attending the Settlement sessions. That adds up to 12 musicians besides Benoliel who are hungry for even more opportunities to play music in small groups.
And, as amateur musicians, we played very well. But the whole time I wished I could play it even better. The greater the piece, the more challenging.
Besides playing with his varied ensembles, Benoliel practices daily at home, usually for two hours. Often his wife, Willo Carey, listens attentively. A special highlight is when she can listen to Benoliel playing his violin while his grandson Ben Hamilton plays the piano. He soon found a novel way to combine his love of chamber music with his business travels. He joined the Associated Chamber Music Players. Members get listed in a global directory which includes their contact information and their instruments.
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